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The ramifications of failing to completely and correctly address security can devastate an organization, not only in compromised data and financial cost but also in the time and energy spent to recover. One of us, Jane Hayes, sat down with an expert in the field, Frank Perry, to discuss the state of the art and future directions of system security and particularly how it interacts with software quality. Perry is chief engineer of the System and Network Solutions Group at SAIC. The group of almost 10,000 people focuses on network technologies and applications, primarily in the US federal market.