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Gary McGraw interviews Richard A. Clarke. Clarke is an internationally recognized expert on national security, counter terrorism, and cybersecurity. He's an on-air consultant for ABC news and teaches at the Kennedy School of Government. Clarke served for 11 consecutive years in the White House for three different presidents, including a stint as special advisor to the president for cybersecurity. Before his work in the White House, he worked in the Pentagon, the intelligence community, and the State Department. He's the author of a number of books, including Against All Enemies and his new book Cyber War (which is orange). Hear the full podcast or watch the videocast of the interview at www.computer.org/security/podcasts/ or www.cigital.com/silverbullet/. The Web extra is a full transcript of the interview.